In one sentence, Elizabeth Hasselbeck refers to Glitter Glass What’s His Face to light a bowl of incense and then proceeds to say the United States does good work around the world. A completely racist comment that demonstrates the deeper cultural issues the US faces around the world.
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Here is a link to Elizabeth’s apology.
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Mallika, to show how counter balance works, I was playing my guitar and singing "Angels we have heard on high" when this post came into my mailbox. I have never learned Christmas music on the guitar, and this morning seemed like a perfect time to make my voice more audible, my ability to build bridges with people of all faiths stronger.
I stopped singing to see who was sending me a note, and felt even more sure of how non-violence comes in many forms. Thank you for letting me sing to these women, for inviting me to realize the power and the beauty of my intention, to create harmony in the world.
peace, Jess
I was quite amazed at Ms. Hasselbeck's comments. In the first instance, referring to Deepak Chopra…… what the heck did that mean? I was really confused and have no idea of the context that might have been behind it. Not that there's an excuse. It just seemed dumb.
Secondly…… although I don't agree with Ms. Hasselbeck's politics, I do believe she is a compassionate person. But what planet has she been living on? To suggest that the US is the only country looked to for help, to suggest that the US does only good in the world……… boggles my mind that someone can see the world through such a framework. Sheesh!
Good morning Mallika,
No matter what a person thinks or believes about another's philosophies, respect for the individual should always be apparent. This morning I heard Elizabeth Hasselbeck offer an apology on TV concerning your father. For whatever it is worth.
In peace and love,
Razz
On one hand: take her off the air. I am over it. I am over the over-explaining-bitter-selective memory-fact-gloss overs that she and many of her ilk just cling to as they are constantly back-tracking any point they are trying to make while these people wrap it all up in a fairy tale magic blanket of lies.
On the other hand: I adore the glitter-glasses-incense-bowl-lighter-Deepak that speaks from a place of truth, trying to open a door of logic, facts and wisdom.
May the smoke of the collective incense cleanse those dull brains!
The way I see it , Mallika, is that it is Elizabeth's Hasselbeck's loss ( just as with all racists) that she truly has no clue as to the true nature of your father's work and/or the message he is sending to the world.
She is only harming herself when she attacks – as we know – angry attacks diminish our own spirit and light.
Thank you for you post.
Take good care of yourself.
Peace, Elaine
I am so happy to hear that she did, apologize.
Bravo !
Elaine
I don't think her comment was racist.
I'd call it contemptuous impunity … the sort self-indulgent hubris that's hardly rare. And ironic! While flaunting her nation's virtues she shows its deepest dis-ease.
A great Christian liberationist in the 60s (not Maritain; the name escapes me just now) commented on American generosity, and how those who didn't accept their gifts were in danger of being bombed.
And yet (CNN comes to mind) I feel somehow grateful that such lack of self-consciousness and discriminating awareness is coming out into the light.
The wounds are not new, and they are not superficial.
Hi Mallika,
Interestingly, I ran across and older video snippet from The View this morning that features Elizabeth Hasselbeck extremely upset regarding the use of derogatory epithets to describe those of differing ethnicity and culture… and yet, as upset as she is in this clip, it apparently didn't seem to faze her with regard to your father in the one posted – and I'm sorry for it. Granted, humans, by nature, are multi-faceted and contradictory beings at times… but she is a public personality and might consider being more mindful. I am heartened to read below in Razz's post that she's offered a public apology.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw9eTpqCvmQ
p.s. that might have been Ivan Illich in his essay on "Good Intentions" … memory is letting me down just now.
Hi again, Mallika,
I know this may seem a radical suggestion, as this situation is much more personal to you.
Forgive me in advance if you find it impractical at this moment.
I just thought since she did apologize, you might extend an invitation to her to visit the Chopra Center, so that she might expand her consciousness and learn in a healing environment.
All my best to you,
Elaine
Yes, this is disrespectful. VERY. And racist. However, let's not get distracted by all of this. Thank GOD Deepak has a voice. He needs to be ready for people attacking him as his/our ideology is controversial however true it is. But le'ts not let it take us off course, and let's keep getting our message out there. If it was mainstream, we wouldn't be facing the global issues that we do. We have detractors who don't understand. They are ignorant. It is about them, not us. We nee to stay focused on peace and love. This is uphill, but very doable. AS LONG AS WE STAY ON COURSE.
Please get out of this spiral. You, your dad, and Gotham are snowballing and fighting fighting fighting. That does NOT solve anything. Anger creates more anger. Darkness cannot hide from the light. Be the light. Take the high road. Walk in peace. Believe in peace. Create it with every thought, feeling, word, action, and passion. Posting blog after blog after blog is only continuing with the recreation of the insanity that created it in the first place. What I tell my son "Don't show people your hot buttons, so they don't know what to push. If you tell kids what upsets you or how to get to you, human nature states they will go after it" Reveal your weakness and they will be exploited. You are all exposing your hot buttons, inviting the world to come along and push them over and over. Don't ever let them see you sweat. Stand up, dry yourselves off, and move forward. PLEASE.
True friends tell you what you need to hear, and it may not always be what you want to hear. I am that friend. Always, and I expect it in return and appreciate it.
With love and respect,
Krissy
I agree with Deb, Elisabeth is really a well meaning and compassionate person however misguided she may be in her view of the world and those who don't think the same way that she does. I would love to see Deepak engage her in dialogue about her comments in a venue that provides some time to examine her feelings. I have never agreed with her politically but have always thought she is someone who might some day see the light beyond neo-conservatism.
Hi Krissy,
I agree in total with your sentiments concerning the continuing saga. It is time to forgive and go forward, there are so many more worthy issues to put our positive energy into.
As to being "very racists" a remark. I disagree.
In love and peace,
Razz
A lot of the comments people leave here annoy me, because all the suggestions they give is to repress our feelings and just act loving and forgiving, but to get to a place of love and forgiveness we need to feel and express our feelings responsible and Dr. Deepak Chopra and Mallika are a great example of how to express our feelings responsibly
Please explain how her comments are "racist". I will agree that they are not polite. But also consider who she's up against on "The View". With the possible exception of Barbara Walters, you hear nothing but hate-filled negativity from the mouthes of the others. The most aweful of them all was Rosie O'Donnell. Despite these particular remarks, I find Elizabeth to be Ms. Walter's only equal in terms of good manners on the show. But back to the "racist" claim. I know this is about your Dad, but does he not wear glasses with glitter on them? It may not be polite to make fun of them. But how is that racist. Are you offended by the "what's his face"? I'm pretty certain you must know this is a common expression used when a persons name doesn't come to mind immediately having nothing to do with a persons race. Finally I'm more inclined to think it is the "bowl of incense" remark that bothers you. Let me assure you that those who make fun of incense use are not making fun of any particular religion, race or ethnicity. In the U.S. incense is often associated with counter cultures and out of the mainstream movements not easily understood by the average person. A lot of people used incense in the United States in the 1960's and they were very much mis-understood by "normal" people because their ideas were very differnt to what most people were accustomed.
I am beginning to get very concerned that Dr. Choprah's good works and teachings will be hurt by his very public involvement in political debate.
When I read his books, I learn and I grow. I understand life more and I believe I am getting closer to God. If you understood where I come from you would understand how miraculous that is. But when I hear Dr. Choprah criticize the United States and Christian fundamentalists more than he does Arab Governments and Muslim Fundamentalists, I start to feel the same unease I feel when I hear the Rosie O'Donnell's and the Arianna Huffingtons of the world who are filled with negativity and hatred. I love the Deepak Choprah who teaches. He helps me along the path to enlightment. Deepak Choprah the political commentator brings doubt to my heart and confuses me.
With Love,
George
I think we may be missing the most positive thing that Deepak Chopra has entered her consciousness as well as many others, which is a reason for good cheer!
Anyone that becomes aware of Deepak has reached a stage in their evolution where it became possible to actually manifest Deepak Chopra in their lives. Deepak (his public persona) is a collective manifestation of the evolved infinite self within all of us often obscured by our finite self, but not for long. No doubt his private persona shares the same trials and tribulations we all do and I would not put the burden of being perfect on anyone lest I put it on myself first, and who amongst us?
This breach of darkness by the light creates turmoil for the source disconnected ego, until it connects fully and humor can be found in this as part of the divine comedy.
Yes, it was racist and she does need to make amends. I think she is a good person, just a closed in one.
The bigger issue here is that so many Americans truly believe that we only do good around the world. It is ingrained in us in our teachings at school and in our religous studies. Many of us have only learned that the "Indians" were savages and the crusades were holy. It
Jack Boland, the founder of Renaissance Unity – where your father just spoke last month – has a quote that was in our daily inspirational email today. It reads, " Don't let your good get in the way of your better".
We can be better, but we only will be by opening up ourselves to new points of view.
I would love to see you go on The View.
Like us blonds don't have enough problems, now we have this vacuous chick mouthing off; Britney, Paris, Jessica . . ., will the horror never end?!? Just shut up and dance chick just shut up and dance!
Am I being sexist? No. I just loathe blondes that are in fact dumb.
Peace
I would like to note that I'm pleased to know that the Chopra Family have these human qualities called feelings, and are demonstrating to us all how to express them in a rather peaceful manner.
I agree whole hardly with Sylvia Shene's comments below.
Frankly the people who talk about living life by banishing every negative thought, emotion or feeling is possible, or even rational really tic me off. In many ways it is just as insulting to hear someone tout how more spiritual evolved they are because they can't be angry, and are above it all. Why does being spiritual mean we need to aspire to be like Mr Spock? Is there a lesson in that for me? I'm sure there is. I need to learn to except the fact there are people on this earth with different perceptions, even when there is strong factual evidence they are wrong.
What the Chopras seem to be demonstrating are the natural phases of a grieving process. There are typically 5 stages of grief. These reactions do not occur in a specific order, and may show simultaneously. Not every emotion is usually shown publicly. they are
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance
When anyone loops into any one phase over and over again serious psychological harm which can manifest into physical problems do occur. Trust me from experience, or don't. But spiritual bypassing our emotions can have serious negative consequences, whether you want to believe it or not.
Where is the sympathy for the ignorant? She is just a child, a baby. She knows not of what she speaks. She is innocent and therefore undeserving of punishment. Pointing fingers and saying "Wrong," or "Bad" only serves to further close a mind. People change becasue they want to, because what they've been doing is not working. Apparently for her, it has been working. She will only change when she changes. We may hope that the change comes, but we cannot hope that it comes sooner than its supposed to. There is nothing personal in her comments, don't you see?
the poor thing is deficient. It's best to just ignore her. After all, if her desire is to get attention, then negative attention will do.
Though I'm not against judicious use of the Time-Out.
Malika,
He is your father and I am sorry that her few remarks disrespectful and dismissive of your father's contributions to the global community.
Yes, she's got a stereotype operating in her mind and she gets to see it played out on national television. I am sure she is more embarrassed than you are about her remarks.
I'm not a fan of hers, but I do feel compassion for her because she has to live with her actions.
I'm just as protective about my family as you are, but maybe you could forgive her? Stay strong, sister.
Love-
I sympathize with the Chopra family. However, two bits of wisdom come to mind, one from the Sutras and one from the schoolyard:
"Not by violence is violence ended. Violence is ended by nonviolence."
"Sticks and stones may break my bones,
"But names will never hurt me."
peace
Thank you everyone for your comments.
First, my family is very human. We have egos like everyone else, we get offended like others, we get hurt like others. And when it is done on a national stage, it is even more sensitive. That said, both Gotham and I grew up having people call my father names – a snake oil salesmans, a witch doctor – so we are used to the name calling. Elizabeth's comment about "lighting incense" not only igniting a feeling of racism we have faced before, but also in hundreds of calls that were made to ABC, including many from abroad, by South Asians who were offended by the statement. We know the producers responsibly fielded the calls, and spoke to her about it. I believe Elizabeth apologized on air this morning, and I respect her ability to do so. Of course, we have no feelings against her. That adds no value and hopefully we can all learn from this occurrence.
Both Elizabeth Hassellbeck and Dorothy Rabinowicz have been invited to engage in a direct public conversation with my father on his Sirius Satelite Radio Show (see podcast tab above). We will see where this leads, but the goal is to face all of our dark sides – theirs, ours, and all of ours as humans. By doing so, perhaps we can all learn something.
I do want to address the issue around our flaming the fires, per se, vs just ignoring our perceived attacks by both Dororthy and Elizabeth's. Non violence as one of our bloggers so eloquently put it does not mean being passive. Focusing on healing does not mean ignoring what hurts you. As individuals we must face our own demons, and as society we must face our actions as nation stages, as religions, as cultures…
My personal goal at Intent.com is not to just create a happy place where we all virtually hold hands and sing happy songs. This perception of the New Age movement has always frankly annoyed me.
My personal goal is to create a real community that addresses real issues with real people from around the world. A community that is dedicated to aspiring to better selves, individually, as a society and as a planet.
In that vein, you hear our real, unfiltered voices around personal, social, global and spiritual wellness. My father is real, not just an author of interesting books. Gotham and I are real, and many of the others you will hear from here are also communicating their unfiltered thoughts. That is the wonderful thing about the medium of the internet and why we created this site.
Our hope is that the community connects with thought provoking content here, but more importantly with each other to foster understanding, empathy, healing and inspiration for each other.
Last but not least, lets not lose sight of the real issue that has sparked this diversion – what happened in Mumbai and how can we as a global community foster understanding to prevent future generations of similar thinking.
Thank you everyone for your sincere engagement.
Mallika
It's interesting that your dad is starting to get the kind of bitter personal attacks that John Kerry and Barack Obama used to get. Looks like somebody's scared out there. Wonder why?
In his position I would want to back away from reacting to the events, which are likely to continue, and reflect on who's scared of me and why? Could it be that they feel a power I might want to be more aware of?
I'm not certain that Deepak would be comfortable with the term guru, but he is one of mine. A guru is a despeller of darkness, a way shower, a bringer of light- a human to follow so that an experience of direct consciousness can be made.
Deepak- you rock dude!
As far as Mrs. Hasselbeck is concerned- she has shown her spiritual immaturity for all things enlightened since she first began opening her mouth. Chalk her up with all the other unevolved souls, who run on fear and have no direct concept of love.
As we are all connected, and in the ho'oponopono way of huna healing we are all responsible for that which we perceive- where is the ignorance still in us that needs healing? If we didn't have it in us we wouldn't be attracting it, even at a distance.
I'm off to do some meditation, to perhaps use this experience to evolve myself into a higher state of lvoe.
hollowbone Lisa
ok- so I just sent a comment to ABC, telling them that Mrs. Hasselbeck has to go. There is no room in this world for blatent disregard of other's beliefs, hatred of all things nonChristian, and simple ignorance.
If you want to send them a message- there is power in numbers…
http://abc.go.com/site/contactus.html?lid=ABCCOMG…
Dear Mallika,
Thank you for reminding everyone that you and your family are human. Sometimes this understanding may get lost.
Divine light is contained within us all and it is through the challenges that we come to realize our "humaness" which, in this context, gravitates us towards our awareness of our Divinity.
It through acceptance not denial that this awareness occurs.
We are One.
Blessings,
Natalie
You and your family have accepted your "Humaness" while advocating and living the the Divine.
I commend you…
Natalie
And by the way, I think Deepak's glasses are charming. I remember noticing them on a TV interview and thinking "now those are definitely cool glasses"! It showed a light heartedness of his that I appreciate.
Deepak's views make so much sense. I think part of the problem is that people don't go straight to the source and listen to exactly what Deepak says. It's like that telephone game where someone says something and then down the road, as it gets passed through various filters, and the message ends up totally different at the end. I'll bet Elisabeth didn't watch the interview, but reacted to something she was told about it. I don't see how anyone could argue with what Deepak said. Terrorism is a world problem, it's everyone's problem. You can't fight violence with more violence. That is an intelligent, rational point of view. I hope that our world leaders listen to Deepak and implement some of his suggestions. Deepak would make a great Secretary of State! Is there another job in the cabinet for him? We need this kind of creative and solution-oriented thinking in world politics.
Mallika,
I empathise with you cause I know how it must feel for any child to have her parent ridiculed especially publicly on network TV!
Judy,
I saw the glasses on the Bill Maher (that's the name?) show for the first time…I'm not American but cause I live on a small island we do have to embrace things from the outside world and we get most of our TV from the US. So I've seen The View on a few times but dont always relate to the issues…I on the whole don't watch much TV though spend more time on the web and reading books…just thinking…
To All,
The people on this show The View seems to keep changing a lot though now? Always some comment or some offence…I noticed the lady in the middle laughed when this Elizabeth girl made the comment. And I didnt hear the others correct her for what she said from the clip I see here. I always recall this lesson from the Indian epic the Mahabharat when Drupadi was being disrobed publicly in the court by Duryodhan no one in the court sitting there said a word…none of the elders…none of the sages…gurus…to me they were just as guilty. So…
On a personal level if someone said that to me or bout me I'd think they were dumb or silly but I'd also laugh…once in work I had a fellow female engineer attack me in a meeting and although we have both been working together in the same company she seemed not to know my name….she went "You…you …you what's your name…she…she…she?!" So I went you dont know my name now?! I mean she could have easily said what's her face and it would be just as bad or not bad. And she is about 10 yrs older than I to top it off! I guess she was so mad at me! And you know my boss still flipped it on me and blamed me for saying back the you dont know my name part bit! He said I also got emotional and I should have said nothing…
The thing about this woman making the slip on national TV just shows how many, many people on earth speak bout others in their living rooms when they think no one is hearing…amusingly the little I know about The View's concept is that Babara Walters I think had envisioned it to be a bunch of ladies chatting in their living room perhaps? So funny if so it proves my point when they make these slips…I'm glad she said it cause she spoke her heart…and in doing so it made people think…
I wish we all would come out in the open and talk our hearts on issues or religion, race, politics etc without coming to blows about it…if that could be possible and then to really trash out our issues…it is the only way we will truly understand each other and become one…
Many years ago as a teenage I saw a documentary covering a camp like this for other teens where they put israelis and palestinians or other arabs and muslims/jews etc from different parts of the world… all teenagers… in this camp and it was so beautiful how each spoke their heart, their pains, their stories…explaining how each felt bout each other. For the first time I understood what was eating all those peoples there…
On my island there is a constant racial and cultural line or divide between those of Afro origin and Indo origin…that no one speaks about and claims it is the politicians that divide us and it is why we vote on racial lines each election…but I think it is cause same thing people pretend to be embracing outdoors but you dont know what they are saying in their living rooms. And they truly dont understand each other and there is no forum to be honest and truly learn… I want to hear what they are saying in their living rooms….of course we all have to get to the place where we are not talking small minded things there too but the only way to get there is if we talk it out in open?
I try my best to do that with my co workers and friends…and I have been learnign bit by bit and slowly…I guess as I often feel like quoting the Desiderata…"As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others,even to the dull and ignorant;they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit."
As for the bowl of incense thing…I can see why all Indians in the US might see it as a racist attack or slur…but I guess it is how Elizabeth may seen all things related to the East…New Age…Indian…Hindu…to be hones that is racist! I have not been able to open the link on this PC Im on to the apology but I'm assuming she apologised although what is the point of lip service if she still believes that or feels that way…what is needed is not an apology but learning…growth…understanding…and that only comes when the time is right…
Anyway I wont be surprised if Barbara Walters has a few words with the Elizabeth lady and she may not be returning next season?
i agree much love
sorry wrong post here
Barbara picked up on her comment instantly..if you listen. The substance that your father and your family have brought to his world can not be touched by a comment like that. Those of us who have met you, listened to you, read your books know…BUT it still hurts because he is your dad! She was stupid! "Glitter Glass What's His Face" has a lot more sight than she!
Hi Mallika,
I left this comment early, but I added and changed a few things, so here my new version of my comment. Thank for having the courage to speak up.
A lot of the comments people leave here annoy me, because some of the suggestions they give is to repress our feelings and just to act loving and forgiving, but to get to a place of love and forgiveness we need to feel and express our true feelings responsible and Dr. Deepak Chopra, Mallika and Gotham are a great example of how to express our feelings responsibly
Hi Lisa,
Thank for that address. I just told them "Joy" has to go.
In love and peace,
Razz
Mallika,
Elizabeth Hasselbeck is a ridiculous young woman.
My god. What would this world be without your Dad? I can't even imagine.
I can however imagine a day without hearing that strident, shrill voice assaulting my eardrums at 11:00 a.m. Bliss!
Turn the other cheek. All who care do care and that's all that matters.
Love Linda
PS, Lisa
As to "Joy" getting the boot!
For all the same reasons and more, that you speak of…
There is no room in this world for blatent disregard of other's beliefs, hatred of all things Christian, and simple ignorance.
Unless of course…I re-think it with a heart of love and go into Ho'oponopono mode I would realize that both of them, as well as both of us, have many weaknesses, and should focus on what we should live up to and aspire to be.
Ho'oponopono to you my friend,
Razz
Jet T,
Grieving?
Yes!
I see this as a cycle of the human condition. A process.
It's not for me to judge which part of the process one appears to be in. Only that individual can tell us for sure.
It would appear to me. there is more then one situation then Hasselbeck's comments that triggered Copra's anger. This situation was sparked by what happened in Mumbai.
Denial (as in I can't believe this happening to me! OR I can't believe what I just saw or heard! I refuse to even acknowledge this effects me)
Anger (why are you doing this to me? this is all your or their fault!)
Bargaining ( I will do this if I can get that. )
Depression (Anger turned inward, I should of done this, I shouldn't of reacted that way, it's my fault, I'm flawed)
Acceptance (It is what is I'm ready for whatever comes, and I must move on)
A Swiss-born psychiatrist K
Dear Mallika and all intent contributors,
I hope you are all well. I am writing to tell you that through participation in the blog since the very unfortunate Mumbai attacks I have learned to stand up for myself !
No words can truly express how much this has helped me.
But perhaps this story will help. I had connected a friend to another friend of mine and through this connection she hired my friend as a publishing consultant and wrote a chapter in
a creative anthology, where I had already written a chapter.
When the announcement came about the completion of our creative anthology, I heard nothing from this person. I let it go. Then I received a public relations announcement about the publication of own her book from the person that I connected her to, still no word from this person. I was fuming ! In the past, I would have let it go and ended the relationship with my friend. Because of what I learned through you andeveryone here on intent – I did write to her and expressed my hurt and disappointment . She had the good grace to apologize and ask how she could make amends.
To make amends I asked her to write an endorsement for me on the professional networking site where I first met her.
Now I will continue my relationship with her and we can continue to help and support one another.
AGAIN – MANY THANKS. Gratitude and healthy expression of feelings are so important !
Have an amazing day !
Your intent friend,
Elaine
As Mallika so generously pointed out to me, I learned to be strong and gracious in my interaction instead of being passive.
Elain,
I enjoyed reading your post. Thank you for sharing.
I like to share with everyone here my post on the case of the 8 year old boy.
http://www.intent.com/blog/2008/12/05/8-year-old-…
love, sylvie
Many thanks, Sylvie.
Just to let you know the link to Alice Miller on your profile does not work.
I was able to reach it on my own – very valuable information indeed.
Love, Elaine
I just wanted to add to Sylvie, I do thank you for your post -
I do not support the consciousness of revenge -
I do believe in awareness, and in strong and gracious communication.
I believe it serves our best interests and those of the world to heal
ourselves and others so that resorting to revenge and hurtful actions will be unnecessary.
I have taken the vow and intend to keep it. Have you seen the web site – it contains much wisdom and you have the opportunity to ask
questions.
http://itakethevow.com/home
Love, Elaine
First, I never watch that show, but in watching this clip I see that this young, life-inexperienced woman finds it impossible (for her) to believe that our thoughts, our intentions, create our world, and finds Dr. Chopra's spiritual teachings beyond her right now. I understand that. Her lashing out was just a sign of her immaturity, and I understand that too. Dr. Chopra teaches us not to judge anything that occurs, and not to label anything as right or wrong, and I think this is one of those times to practice that teaching. I never take it well when someone says something negative about Dr. Chopra as he's been my spiritual teacher via his books and videos for well over 10 years, but I also understand that not everyone is going to like everyone else. Public people put themselves out there and are subject to the negative as well as the positive. In the grand scheme of things going on in the world, though this was unfortunate it really is meaningless. Her comment about a great man is nothing compared to children dying of hunger every moment around the world. I believe Dr. Chopra can handle this little girl's slight with grace and ease.
However, I've seen so much negativity on the subject of Mike Meyers on this site, someone who I enjoy watching, some of that negativity aimed at Dr. Chopra by a "member" of this site, that I'm leaving. I had hoped to find a positive experience here, but I'm seeing far too much anger and hatred for my path.
Namaste,
Lakshmii
Valerie, what you speak resonates with me deeply. I do not think that I belong here either for the very same reasons and will disengage myself from this rather than remain a part of the problem.
This is what I have always done and will make no exceptions….even if the "tone" is of a spiritual nature.
I applaud you voicing truth.
Peace………..
yah i know its your dad and your ofended, sorry. elisibeth has a good heart i am not a republican and i did not vote for obama i voted for hillary. but elisibeth has a lot of good points that woopi dose not have and that joy bayheart dosnt have.
i am a hindu and suport my religion but in hinduism it is like water and can absorbe a few coments that are made buy people that dont understand.i dont think she was being mean.
peace
fred heidrick
This is why these people must be engaged directly, not shown kid gloves. They need to be exposed and shown why their arguments are complete rubbish. Coddling them will do no good.