Question:
So our purpose in life is to become fully awake to who we truly are, but I still don’t quite get the point of that?!? Why do we (God) need to manifest a physical body, and live a physical existence, just so that we can learn to remember what we (God) already are/is ? Life seems like nothing more than a game to me!
God is everything – she is all knowing, so there really is no experience she needs to learn from – so what then really, is the point to learning to awaken in a physical body, when in fact there is nothing that God needs to learn or experience?
I hope my question makes sense?
Answer:
The point of becoming awake to our true nature is to escape suffering and discover that permanent happiness and fulfillment is our very essence. Each one of us as individuals are different points of perspective of the wholeness that is universal intelligence. So we don’t become enlightened to make an already complete God or cosmic intelligence more complete, we do it so that the individual intelligence we see as ourselves that seems separate, weak, suffering and ignorant is actually the same consciousness that permeates the universe, and in that we find that we are unlimited, free, empowered and awake to the wholeness of creation.
The game, if you want to call it that, is to make awareness that is potentially holistic, actually holistic. Transforming the possible into reality requires us to manifest a physical body and master the full range of creation. With that transformation into enlightenment there is a radical shift in the quality of life out of victimization and suffering into joy and wisdom. It’s really the only game in town.
Love,
Deepak
For more information go to deepakchopra.com
The Sages have also talked of this "diversity" in the Unity as the manifestation of Unity's creativity. It has been likened to the wave in an ocean, which is not different yet appears different and on its own.
As Dr. Chopra says well, logically there is no such thing as someone "becoming enlightened"… everybody, every creation (down to the smallest dust particle in the farthest star of the Universe) is enlightened. We just do not "realize" that. The realization of the Wave that it is the Ocean is the only "event", if you will, that occurs.
Even the wave and the ocean are subject to Shunyata
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9A%C5%ABnyat%C4%…
We must understand the relative nature and appearance of all things ; given the correct conditions causes and effect this ocean can disappear entirely along with the waves .. everything is subject to becoming and dissolution .Eventually the positron will destroy its twin and the Brahma universe will be destroyed AUM and then it will be the transcendent – the ' beyond ' – Brahman
Of Brahman what is there to know and who or what is there to know it..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahma http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman
Shiva is both transformation and destruction..
Waves goodbye to all these S-ages
LOL the game of word play haha
You can't see the wood for the trees…
First of all, try not to personify the Universal being because it can't be reckoned in that way.
Why does a river flow to the sea when it is already water and connected to the sea via every other particle of water? why doesn't it just stand still and have no purpose, no process, no journey?
God is the flow, the ever changing, ever evolving, Infinite experience… Life is the process of God just like the river flows so does the everlasting being constantly change in new directions. Like a dancer that is dancing a dance never danced before, your life is God Dancing a brand new dance or singing a new song.
People often take miracles as signs of divine presence. What greater miracle could anyone ever try to imagine that is greater than the miracle of consciousness, creation and the miracle of life experience.
Love xx
I am your reflection as you are mine
Its funny but… I am getting to a point now where I don't have the need to understand God any more. I witness God instead and the understanding becomes irrelevant to the obviousness of God.
Love xx
I am your reflection as you are mine
I guess that I should stress that consciousness is indestructible ( Vajra like and adamanitine if one is Buddhist ) no matter that we have voided the mind or universal manifestation of all things that arise due to cause and effect … the unchageable ever flowing God like mind or consciousness is the Rigpa gound of awareness.
I used the positron to symbolize the voided universe of mind – it is a process in both mind and Mahakala the great one of Time ( Saturn Chronos – teacher )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahakala http://www.humuhbuddhistjournal.org/Editions/Oct0…
' God ' is not other than you….
I call this consciousness the Presence – still lucid, – translucent – placid awareness or calm abiding. We all have it with us all the time and it is not a state that we attain but a state that reveals itself … Dr Chopra says it is ecstasy … the primordial state .. For me the use of the term ecstasy is too passionate and hot and not the same thing at all.. I am not denying the state of ecstasy however. But ecstasy too, passes away and changes because it is a dependent arising due to certain conditions being created for it to arise within the mind self . I speak here of an awareness that is ever present and is not dependent on causes and conditions and which thus transcends time and karma. Ecstasy is a ' thing' Rigpa is no thing.
The debate continues
with love…
The problem being that the moment one falls away from Rigpa which has no aspects – being void of nature – and starts to say it is this or that, the primordial state is literally ' lost ' in translation – it does not, frankly, translate. Even the terms presence and calm abiding are not correct but an approximation or substitute – as in Adonai for that which cannot be spoken , but merely pointed or alluded to…
The undulating joys of Lila are of course the first gentle ripples in the calm pond
The two seem to be very connected as in the calm after the ecstasy and the desire to spend eternity there ?
I guess I will have to say like two lovers in eternal embrace – the Yab Yum or Shakti .
The playfulness of two lovers yes .. the act of two lovers.. yes the afterglow .. yes yes yes the gentle loving floating on the ocean of mind.. the ultimate male energy uniting with the female energy – yes.. but then sleep comes- deep, undisturbed, rejuvenating contented ….. I had better stop here hadn't I otherwise I shall be kicked off !!
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Is the universe any different ? A gigantic Shakti ending in the Big Bang – being the end and not the beginning !
http://www.marcuschown.com/
But the end is also the beginning….
I mean it!
I personally feel that trying to give God definition in any manner is OK but in reality there are no words to describe it, there isn't anything it is not.
Its funny but having read I AM THAT and various other spiritual ideas I am getting to the point where I see there are no methods required to know God in your heart. Funny names and special meditation technique and so on and so forth are just another form of distraction.
I've said this many times to people, but if two enlightened persons met in a room alone, they would have nothing to say to each other about spirituality, because there is nothing you can say or do to bring you to a full state of awakening other than surrender yourself for God to be realised. The identity that one has assumed must be let go of, and ironically it is beliefs that stand in the way. People say to me "I don't believe in God" lol…. well actually God can't be believed in anyway. God is your every day experience regardless of beliefs. If you hold an idea about God then that's all it is, an Idea… you don't need to try to believe in God, it is the very experience of life that you are.
Love xx
I am your reflection as you are mine
I think that if two enlightened people met in a room they would make love and get totally lost in each other
@ Ed Obviously we have Lila and not the sage
Are you also referirng the end of an Aeon
and gamma ray bursts ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eta_Carinae
the problem being with the magnetosphere and the lack of sun spot activity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_variation
But Lila is busy wafting in her delight ..what does she care about magnetospheres hehe !
Each one of us (being an element of God, collectively) and representing a small part of the whole within the conscienceness that is the "cosmic soup" desires to see ourselves and we manifest individually into the physical world in order to get a glimpse of who we are. But the physical body is temporary and eventually it dies and we return to the "soup", to be reborn for another view. That's my take from what I have read in "Life After Death" (Deepak Chopra).
Yes Greg I have often thought that myself and that we are the Absolute' s eyes, as it were , symbolized by the eyes in the peacock tail ( the peacock also eats up all poisons in alchemy ).
I have a problem using the word GOD because it has been so abused by western religion in that they have limited IT to a human perspective often with human like attributes and wisdom – so I tend not to want to personify IT or limit it by saying what IT is – In action the Absolute ( the closest I can get to it ) is that IT is the LAW .. Dhamma / Dharma. I think that it has been adorned with a lot of moral dogma and misunderstandings of cause and effect. Mostly the various traditions have been laid down by unenlightened people so what more can one expect.but more of same haha !
I don't see IT as a person or even as an IT but more of a process ( of experience thought time and space ) and in this way YES, one can definitely see IT as a game .. a really grand virtual reality game in which you participate to master and reach its various levels of intricacy and skill .
Often though you see, you can make of the game what you want the game to be.. the ' magic ' factor is always missing in philosophies which on their own are dry and unsatisfactory
Philosophies and traditions are like the coding of a game but not the game.. the game was in a totally different realm of mind than the physical down to earth data that was needed to make it work with our sense systems. The game is in the cosmic mind…. if you know how you can make it appear of the screen of ( your ) life
When you start the game you choose a path to play… and a character
God is now a computer geek with webbed hands
There is a moment in your mind as you are about to choose.. that is empty ….it is fleeting and that was pure awareness ….
catch it
when you aren't any thing.. which is why you can become any thing if you create the conditions for it to arise.
I think consensus 'requirement' is built in to Earth's game, Kay.
well who or what is playing the game Ed ? which are you – the character or the player ?
If you are the character then you have no choice even your personality is pre -determined and actions are predictable to a greater extent.
If you are the player – yes there is freewill and freedom to play the game how you want to play it ?
We are all Gods (have the Spirit of Truth and Justice within us and know what is right and wrong) at birth and are born in human form for a purpose. If we had the opportunity to be born in a Refined, un-hypocritical and un-coercing family (only around 2% in the world), we would retain are Godliness and perform our purpose as we would have the freedom to think and act in the way we were supposed to do. If our purpose was to live like God, but are born in a family were refined thinking is rare, we would gradually adopt the un-refinement, loose all values and grow within that framework, until we realize our true selves (through an external contact or event) If a persons purpose is to serve the world in any way but has to live honestly and truthfully, his/her inner will/spirit/consciousness will work to force the person to break away and start manifesting against the injustice un-truthfulness. A person who was destined to live as a refined being can never live meaningfully and joyfully in an environment where there are no values. The enlightenment I find that we all need is to know who we really are (Refined, Semi-refined or Un-refined thinkers and doers) and the pros and cons of living un-refined and semi-refined lives, the purpose for which we were born (the Natural Talents/Strengths within us) and the manner we have to live our purpose.
Today the world is in turmoil, and there is conflict starting from the womb, because we have very few parents and elders who have peace within their hearts. This is because they were coerced to follow belief systems that were alien to their hearts, are remain with the in conflict within them. If they live in cultures where hatred is manifested against others as they belong to other religions, social levels or tribes, their children will grow up to hate others too. This can be termed as intergenerational transmission of hatred and poverty and jealousy are the outcomes as we are unable to interact and have excellent human relationships with our "clients" who are of other tribes and sell our services/goods or buy from them (even if it is less expensive).
Therefore, it is all a game we play, and all humanity should unite by shedding all man made principles and differences as if there is only one true God (as each religion claims) she could not be human as she is allowing children be born in families where the "true God's" religion is not practiced, leading to disharmony and conflict. How could someone's God allow this to happen?.
We are all Gods at birth, innocent and childlike, able to play with anyone irrespective of color, race or religious origin, let us advocate our parents to let us remain as children (Gods) and strive to remain as children even if we grow up, (not hurting anyone) rather than allow the world to destroy our spirits and try to seek "enlightened" to seek joy. We were really not born to struggle.
Thank you,
Sunimal Alles
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oKay, then, on some level antagonisms must be agreed upon? I'll just pretend I want Peace
I want to put this here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mysticism
http://itakethevow.com/think/quantum-physics-and-…
I feel a little embarrassed to admit that I have only read two of Dr Chopra's books mainly because of finances and also because I wanted to use my own mind and not be influenced by lots of other people.
Only lately, with my spare money, I can stay online with a reasonable internet access of 3 GB per month and I can actually research and see how my mind is connecting to latest ideas and discoveries. Libraries here are either non existent or lacking in any recent books especially of this nature of investigation.
When I first really started to study and went to the main library in Durban all Alice Bailey books and those like them had been banned – it was very difficult here …
About 10 yrs ago I read the Way of the Wizard – and one about a Kay and an Arthur – two PC constables…….can't remember the title.
Frankly I think that there is a lot more quantum energy / influence on this website than may appear immediately obvious .. I am laughing and laughing .. and enjoying watching it
we struggle against our weaknesses and ignorance – we war within our own selves all the time – fighting pain, fighting death ,fighting poverty , fighting negativity , fighting bacteria and viruses – invaders.
We are conditioned to fight and resist many things – especially change.
Ours is a selective peace I think according to what we think is acceptable and what it not. ?
no war can be fought without a army.. those who join an army must wish and be prepared to fight .
I don't know what godly / universal decree said that America owns America – or any other nation owning their own plot of land either for that matter. Land belongs to no man .. we must share resources as one humanity.
http://itakethevow.com/think/how-can-we-make-worl…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnvM_YAwX4I&featur…
I am both character and player, defined according to the other person's brief?
Do you think that this video promotes the idea of there being nothing at all at death and that everything is a only a product of the brain / senses which at death brings a cessastion of all conscousness and being ?
Don't you think, Kay, quantum is a useful interface for our general understanding within present debate spectrum. I strongly sense it will fall away to a more immediate and energetic Universal interface (and the one you mentioned earlier will become redundant! ) Intent itself will disappear into a black hole!
My 'friend' Nassim has said that ultimately quantum is bunk. Now, some may wish to sleep in for it a bit longer
Do you want to play? God, I wish I could remember to forget the rules
Lol, cross-posting…..is that playing
"Do you think that this video promotes the idea……"
Au contraire, it tells us we have something huge on our proverbial hands, eh? (There was two parts?)
It tells us there is not even a brain in our material sense.
I am never the character – I play the character
It is a very tangled interaction isn't it – every possible equation / pattern is being worked out.
nobody sees you as you have defined yourself so you will then have many faces viewed from different perspectives . There is no stable or real you even from this simple statement that you have made above.
Definition of anything is a problem because there are no two definitions that are ever identical – relativity .
Maybe we should refrain from making definitions of any sort about any thing ? Definitions cause a lot of problems in life don't they
LOL I don't want to play the game . I wanna float in my cosmic bliss -* they * programmed that in too didn't they ?
Ever felt like there was only the void… which can be totally depressing if you don't make up your own games in it !!
First comparing dreams with this illusion of waking reality and saying maybe we really could wake up.
It's also a bit of a cop out, asking 'who is the one who sees, and calling it the created soul in each of us, all of which is maintained by 'Oversoul,' (my word) on moment by moment basis.
So really nothing new philosophically from the narrator, (but he was cut short, end of vid, so I may be able to look elsewhere)
I think what is huge is that we are fooling ourselves thinking we can control things from this end or to this end's prescription….. then I think, what's the actual difference if Oversoul loves Oversoul's children!
If it's The Matrix, we have a fight on our hands
OH haven't seen the second part – thats my watching for the month
explain to me the second part if you would
EDIT
couldn't resist it and went to watch the second part.. lol no more videos for this month.
There is something in there that doesn't gel for me.. sorry
but sure I can appreciate the theory .
Main reason I put it up was Deepak referred to the same view in the link you gave, Kay. He is kind to us!
There is a difference with Deepak's view though because he see himself as God and this video see God as other than self.. I stand to be corrected ?
Pity the man himself isn't on this website to enter into the debate and discuss the ideas – or is he haha ?
A little musing here rather than stating anything – wandering into the ' what if ' realm :
I tend to lean towards a from of Matrix yes.. but that only serves to show that we can make our own doesn't it ?
If there is nothing but parts and rules then assemble them how you will and order them how you will – it has been done for us in this universe such as shown by a virtual reality but there is nothing stopping the mage or the magician or adept from creating his own world if this is correct – but your mind has to be so clear and
so ( lol ) …. well ….all knowing, otherwise all one makes for oneself is a perpetual hell and one that you probably cannot get out of very easily if at all – you would always have to program into it someone who could get you out of it hehe.. it all gets too bizarre
"its the only game in town"…….I LOVE IT!!!!
blessings to each and everyone……………..love to all………………………..
Kay,
I haven't actually read a single one of Deepak's books. I do listen to his talks and audio books as he has a voice that is out of this world.
Yes he would have a voice that is out of this world because it is a voice that is coming from a different part of his consciousness probably called Charisma ?
Thank you for answering my question Dr Chopra, I do appreciate you knowledge of spirituality. Thank you to everyone else for your input.
The Voice Chakra…..
Very powerful for Good or for Evil…
Yes Simon.. it can be used for any agenda. good or bad and its power to influence is extrememly potent.
Barack Obama has it – probably a legacy of his Charismatic Church.
Hitler had it.
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi had it
Some Buddhist lamas have it.
there are quite a few who were born with it or aquired it.
* but charisma doesn' t only work through the voice chakra
there is charisma that is magnetic if you are just in someone's presence
some don't know that they have it and some use it to promote themselves.
May have been known as the ' X' factor
Mana ;http://www.answers.com/topic/mana http://www.answers.com/topic/atman
Much philosophical debtate over the Atman
Yaw…..N….. Ah, got it…..just need to learn the languish…..
It's O Kay, I just got up!
LOL whats Jaws got to do with it .save for a backwards sh-ark
agape anyway
or is that a gate hehe
or is that ' Sir Kay ' and a garter ?
or http://www.babylon.com/definition/Agharti/English http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tath%C4%81gata
?
just playing
You guys are a riot.
(Hi Granpa Ed & Simon!)
Hi WORDSY, right on cue, me ole pal, me ole beauty!
Hi Swordsman,
Nice to see you again, how are you old buddy?
Love xx