It used to annoy me to be called the king of woo woo. For those who aren’t familiar with the term, "woo woo" is a derogatory reference to almost any form of unconventional thinking, aimed by professional skeptics who are self-appointed vigilantes dedicated to the suppression of curiosity. I get labeled much worse things as regularly as clockwork whenever I disagree with big fry like Richard Dawkins or smaller fry like Michael Shermer, the Scientific American columnist and editor of Skeptic magazine. The latest barrage of name-calling occurred after the two of us had a spirited exchange on Larry King Livelast week. Maybe you saw it. I was the one rolling my eyes as Shermer spoke. Sorry about that, a spontaneous reflex of the involuntary nervous system.
Afterwards, however, I had an unpredictable reaction. I realized that I would much rather expound woo woo than the kind of bad science Shermer stands behind. He has made skepticism his personal brand, more or less, sitting by the side of the road to denigrate "those people who believe in spirituality, ghosts, and so on," as he says on a YouTube video. No matter that this broad brush would tar not just the Pope, Mahatma Gandhi, St. Teresa of Avila, Buddha, and countless scientists who happen to recognize a reality that transcends space and time. All are deemed irrational by the skeptical crowd. You would think that skeptics as a class have made significant contributions to science or the quality of life in their own right. Uh oh. No, they haven’t. Their principal job is to reinforce the great ideas of yesterday while suppressing the great ideas of tomorrow.
Let me clear the slate with Shermer and forget the several times he has wiggled out of a public debate he was supposedly eager to have with me. I will ignore his recent blog in which his rebuttal of my position was relegated to a long letter from someone who obviously didn’t possess English as a first language (would Shermer like to write a defense of his position in Hindi? It would read just as ludicrously if Hindi isn’t his first language).
With the slate clear, I’d like to see if Shermer will accept the offer to debate me at length on such profound questions as the following:
· Is there evidence for creativity and intelligence in the cosmos?
· What is consciousness?
· Do we have a core identity beyond our biology, mind, and ego?
· Is there life after death? Does this identity outlive the molecules through which it expresses itself?
The rules will be simple. He can argue from any basis he chooses, and I will confine myself entirely to science. For we have reached the state where Shermer’s tired, out-of-date, utterly mediocre science is far in arrears of the best, most open scientific thinkers – actually, we reached that point sixty years ago when eminent physicists like Einstein, Wolfgang Pauli, Werner Heisenberg and Erwin Schrodinger applied quantum theory to deep spiritual questions. The arrogance of skeptics is both high-handed and rusty. It is high-handed because they lump brilliant speculative thinkers into one black box known as woo woo. It is rusty because Shermer doesn’t even bother to keep up with the latest findings in neuroscience, medicine, genetics, physics, and evolutionary biology. All of these fields have opened fascinating new ground for speculation and imagination. But the king of pooh-pooh is too busy chasing down imaginary woo woo.
Skeptics feel that they have won the high ground in matters concerning consciousness, mind, the origins of life, evolutionary theory, and brain science. This is far from the case. What they cling to is nineteenth- century materialism, packaged with a screeching hysteria about God and religion that is so passé it has become quaint. To suggest that Darwinian theory is incomplete and full of unproven hypotheses, causes Shermer, who takes Darwin as purely as a fundamentalist takes scripture, to see God everywhere in the enemy camp.
How silly. Shermer is a former Christian fundamentalist who is now a fundamentalist about materialism; fundamentalists must have an absolute to believe in. Thus he forces himself into a corner, declaring that all spirituality is bogus, that the sense of self is an illusion, that the soul is ipso facto a fraud, that mind has no existence except in the brain, that intelligence emerged only when evolution, guided by random mutations, developed the cerebral cortex, that nothing invisible can be real compared to solid objects, and that any thought which ventures beyond the five senses for evidence must be dismissed without question.
I won’t go into detail about the absurdity of such rigid thinking. However, the impulse behind dogmatic materialism seems intended to flatten one’s opponents so thoroughly that through scorn and arrogance they must admit defeat, conceding that science is the complete refutation of all preceding religion, spirituality, psychology, myth, and philosophy — in other words, any mode of gaining knowledge that arch materialism doesn’t countenance.
I’ve baited this post with a few barbs to see if Shermer can be goaded into an actual public debate. I have avoided his and his follower’s underhanded methods, whereby an opponent is attacked ad hominem as an idiot, moron, and other choice epithets that in his world are the mainstays of rational argument. And the point of such a debate? To further public knowledge about the actual frontiers of science, which has always depended on wonder, awe, imagination, and speculation. Petty science of the Shermer brand scorns such things, but the greatest discoveries have been anchored on them.
If you are tempted to think that I have taken the weaker side and that materialism long ago won this debate, let me end with a piece of utterly nonsensical woo woo:
"Nobody understands how decisions are made or how imagination is set free. What consciousness consists of, or how it should be defined, is equally puzzling. Despite the marvelous success of neuroscience in the past century, we seem as far from understanding cognitive processes as we were a century ago."
That isn’t a quote from "one of those people who believe in spirituality, ghosts, and so on." It’s from Sir John Maddox, former editor-in-chief of the renowned scientific journal Nature, writing in 1999. I can’t wait for Shermer to call him an idiot and a moron. Don’t worry, he won’t. He’ll find an artful way of slithering to higher ground where all the other skeptics are huddled.
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"It's not that the circus bear dances well, it's that it dances at all."
The only angels we need invoke are those of our better nature: reason, honesty, and love.
The only demons we must fear are those that lurk inside every human mind: ignorance, hatred, greed, and faith, which is surely the devil.
Mysticism is a rational enterprise, mental spoon bending is not!
Are you still promoting this hoax, Deepak.
Happy New Year.
With love from Michael Shermer:
@ Ed ok so you are back from which ever tube journey you took… ah Zenmonk this is the Zen Metro tube popping up again in slightly different way ? Now you cannot believe how incredibly stupid I am -only i know that .. so Bob it is amazing that the bear dances at all especially in topics like this one hehe !
OK so I know Ed that your words of gravity and superimpose are connected to the microtubule theory.
I have to read up on that one and translate it back into my world .
Right now all I have is something watching an organic quantum computer using a really slow HP laptop …
I am distinctly aware that the one that is watching this – or using this is on a network in every sense and on every level – the interconnectedness of everything and more reflections of Indra's Net .. one has to switch on to connect ..obviously ?
So there could literally be another unknown connection or remote viewer on all of my networks too !
We are starting to hook into what is called Cosmic Mind perhaps. ?
Meanwhile I am putting this link here
http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/SidFarFiel…
and connecting Diablo's back of the head chakra as the bindu point..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bindu
we are powering up hehe
throught ' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guruwari
for some reason….
Hi Kay;
"So there could literally be another unknown connection or remote viewer on all of my networks too !"
That would be SKEP
Yep, that's where I am. (oh no! more links from Kay
))
I wonder if I actually need this to bend spoons;)
http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/worm4holes…
My brain aches for you, Kay
(I guess it will have to be Feverfew 
)
How I lost my Elgin Marbles! (Ref: feverfew)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenon
swimming upstream to spawn and Chopra pallindromes
http://www.bhagavadgitausa.com/BINDU.htm
@Ed oh no not more science links . ok going there soon..
Born from the hIve were you haha !
so was Moses it sems
Omphalos stone comes to mind
but CHIRO N
and Mare
Centaurus next to the Crux
gotcha
> and yes migraines and headaches -too much computer work I think
@ Ed Ok quick look – moment of death tunnel goes to Sirius > Kochab Thuban and Alnitak ( bending spoons )
Seems to me that the Cheops pyramid may echo the Magnetite and Calcite crystalline lattice structure of the brow chakra > a pyramid in the head chakras . We have the diamond ( vajra ) latticework
http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/HDFCmodel….
There is no accounting the action of bears
Alpha (? Polaris), beta (? Kochab), gamma (? Pherkad)1, gamma (?)2, delta (? Yildun) and epsilon (?) constituted the group Circitores, Saltatores, Ludentes, or Ludiones, the Circlers, Leapers, or Dancers around the early pole, well known from classical times to late astronomy.
Must go for a while it is time to feed my heavenly hounds
Whippets.. you know as in flagella and microtubules and funny people who whip themselves to to access union with ' Christ '
vi loma – hair
cilia – eyelash eyelid
flagella whip
Symbol of the Pharaoh
Coma Berenice
Julius Schiller asserted that the constellation represented the Flagellum Christi.
It is also the ' tuft of hair ' ( of the lion and also of the
http://www.constellationsofwords.com/Constellatio…
http://shamanicastrology.com/articles/celebrating…
Offshoot of your shamanic astrology link which impresses me:-
http://www.floweroflife.org/keys.htm
You did say you were Leo-born, Kay? I thought I was good at jigsaw puzzles. You shine! Are you Regulus
Of course I am the ruler hehe and as regular as clockwork
I could say JAH…… I AM JAH BUL LION hehe but I wont – oh but I just did !
They were all Masons anyway – those Co Freemasons I think – Cayce and Co
ja ja jah the lion's grip and your hand will surely raise you up from the dead
I read somewhere there is a cavity under the Sphinx, as per scanning instruments, but that there has been no attempt to open it, Course, the Great Pyramid contained zilch and was physically impossible for it to have been robbed,
Yes that was a Cayce theory wasn't it ?..doesn't quite fit in to this thread though…. back to woo woo and microtubules
Is Nassim Harmein woo woo or science?
) (He's both by some standards!)
It was him who said Cayce's 'hall under Sphinx' had been verified as a real cavity but that no one has yet got permission to investigate for contents.
He puts the whole show down to ETs, the Sun Gods, and suggests they left Sphinx's (leos) and pyramids across the globe, for us to come of age of responsibility and intellect and suss the technology they used to move 40 ton rocks or cut the 'Flower of Life' patterns into granite pillars, with laser-like precision, and this at least 10000 years ago. That sounds woo but Nassim makes a convincing case with his mathematics, geometry and science theory first and then collates.
Ed,
From what I've read about Tiahuanaco, an ancient Peruvian site, there are a number of stones over 100 tons–and one over 440 tons. The nearest quarry is ten miles away across Lake Titicaca. How does one move a block weighing in excess of 100 tons on reed boats?
Nearby at Pumu Punku are also colossal stones, reputedly fashioned from diorite–the only thing harder is diamonds. Yet there are precision cut grooves in the stone and uniform drill holes. Copper saws? And the Indians who have lived there for thousands of years do not have writing. How does one plan a mammoth ceremonial site without writing?
Several archaeologists propose that the site is over 10,000 years old based on positioning of the stones for astronomical observation. They believe in the world-wide flood, which wiped out a once superior technology. They have been discredited by most archaologists. But they can't explain the many anomalies with regard to the population's technology.
Yes Ed and BoB there are many websites on the internet – and I guess many books too that deal with his huge blocks that have to be transported elsewhere.. no one ever seems ( as far as I know ) to the Shamir – that magical worm ( laser ) that could cut through anything.. about a barleycorn in size I think it is and is said to be in the beak of that wonderful bird the Hoopoe Upupa Epops – the latter word being used in mystery schools infering a ' knower' .. more likely it is in the ' stinky nest ' of the hoopoe which is now the national bird of Israel.
There may be a physical tool but personal I think that it is a metaphor for diamond mind – or maybe both ?
http://www.catchpenny.org/chamber.html
The pyramids were incased in limestone which apparently shone like a huge light for miles around > there are even Tibetan tales that mention this great light and i wonder if it is the same thing ?
Now that same granite as been used for many mosques
I always enjoy looking at this link below when I think of the pyramids -you will see why
I would agree with Nassim Harmein and its a real mix of woo woo and science and trying to unravel it is not easy at all !
Haiwass is correct > it is a ' grain of sand' and the universe is withing it … lol a pyramid ?
Or a grain of barleycorn ?
http://ruby.colorado.edu/~smyth/min/calcite.html http://www.mineralatlas.com/Optical%20crystallogr…
I think it points to a bone a star and Hermes / Thoth
144 000 *( casing stones ) is a number found in the mayan calender
Calcite and limestone probably have something to do with earth's history ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcite
Perhaps some mineral found in the grains of sand cannot be quite so easily explained .. or something like this.. Maybe the blocks themselves can point to a process and a star / s ?
I know that the pyramids are more profound than we can possibly imagine.
Maybe Hancock and co were correct – that at one time Cairo / Giza was in water and was not desert at innundation ( Sirius ) time and large blocks could be floated. I believe that there is water below the pyramids – hence the boats – and sun boats … Argo perhaps and Canopus – now submerged at the mouth of the Nile.
My goodness you can see Sirius and Canopus outshinning everything else in the Southern hemisphere which is like the original pyramid .. it gives the same story.
If one overlays the map of Eridanus the celestial river and the Nile they are almost identical.
I think Nassim aligns to your ultimate 'diamond mind' but feels that first we may develop the actual technology. I'd rather accelerate or quicken
LOL well maybe Nassim should send me a free video and i can align to him
Shamir….hmmm
http://www.varchive.org/ce/shamir/shamir.html
Again Nassim points out the stories of skin cancer in some of the Pharoahs that may have resulted from 'playing' with radioactive gadgetry…… Ark of the Covenant? Moses may have stolen that technology and that's why the Egyptians thought again about letting the Israelites go and tried to retrieve.
LOL well that's potent enough – now about that Lion's paw that we must come to grips with hehe
Lead > ark ?
Murugan ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Suran.jpg
?
The ' glance ' maybe antimony ( of the eyes ) as a symbol
Jeez, that Ark could pile up water on both sides
)
isn't radioative waste dumped deep in water ?
I am somewhat hampered down here with no money and no research other than google – but then it makes me use my own mind which is after all the key issue and to SEE what is before my very nose and not anywhere else
The depth and wisdom in looking at the self in every way is incalcuable
Not to mention that i have a somewhat empty mind – must have holes in it ?
I agree, and of course one-off Nassim is looking at himself, though now has recognition to fend off !!!!
?
The glance > Was it a mental ability or a stone.. or both ?
radioactive waste is dumped in the sea maybe the Red Sea – you know what Pan and Capricorn and Gedi people jumped into hehe
EDIT yes i suppose ' water could pile up on both sides ' if I remember the story correctly
Sometime i edit earlier posts – sorry – we need realtime chat here really ?
We need the recent comment link to go back to the post and not page one of the thread ?
that would also help
I hate to mention it but if if comes up out of the sea it could be the sea monster of Revelations ? – well i can't help but connect the pattern and symbols?
if we speak of pyramids then we cannot help but connect Kailas worshipped by the Hindu Buddhists, Jains and Bon alike.. a nine story pyramid . with four faces – 4 rivers ( pison ? ) > 4 animals 4 jewels
Mountain of the Gods
a pile of stones ( Hermes and Talus )
the Axis Mundi
The abode of Shiva
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Kailash
- are the two connected – Kailas to Giza – is one a monument to the other ?
http://coil.wsneo.com/kala_text1.htm
Mt. Kailash has other names….Meru, Sumeru, Sushumna, Hemadri, Deva Parvatha, Gana Parvatha, Rajatadri, and Ratnasanu. It is the piller of universe and provides an environment to forget the outer world and experience the full truth – the divine self, a blissful state. Mt. kailash's East face is filled with Crystal, West face is filled with Ruby, South face is Sapphire and North face is Gold. That is the reason it gets the name "Ratnasanu". Nobody has even attempted to climb this holy mountain.
from
http://www.drsethufoundation.org/
Make an unforgettable vacation! The round trip, I mean.
LOL – am looking at the google map . St. John's and Rocky Island right now – magnetic anomolies
ohhhh synchronicity : LOL look some pyramids on St John's island
Zabargat
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/2796203
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topaz
colored crystalline gem, c.1272, from O.Fr. topace (11c.), from L. topazus, from Gk. topazos, topazion, of obscure origin. Pliny says it was named for an island in the Red or Arabian Sea, where it was mined; linguists conjecture a connection with Skt. tapas "heat, fire."
http://sumscorp.com/kavai/newmethods/pages/keywor…
The goddess Tabiti (Indo-Aryan Tapas (Raevsky 1994: 205); cf. also Russian topit' 'to heat', teply 'warm'; cf. the name of the Russian pagan supreme god Svarog < Old Indian svar 'the sun' and ruh- 'to grow; to be born') begat the god Papaios/Perun with the epithet 'Wind' and goddess Api, they begat the god Goitosiros, goddess Argimpasa, god corresponding to Ares (Agin/Agni) and god Targitaos. Then Targitaos and Argimpasa begat the Scythians.
http://adyghe.ektob.com/17027.html
Tab-iti = 'Hestia' fire god according to Herodotus The following words have to do with fire, aspects of fire or working with fire.
1.Scythic tab = fire
Hurrian tib-ir = god of fire 'vulcan'
Sumerian tab = fire
Egyptian tep = fire, burn, flame
Ugrian tab-it,tab,tut= fire
Hungarian tu'z = fire t>s>z
Hungarian tap-lo = tinder
Sumerian tibira = metal worker, smith, to hit **
Turkic timur = iron (smith>>?)
Hungarian tibor = persn.name(was smith)
http://www.stavacademy.co.uk/mimir/scythianterms….
I wonder if the yellow green luminescence of the article about the Shamir stone is Luciferase .. that is Lucifer
who bought it to earth ?
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ja0611691
fireflies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefly
sparks ( yod )
state of death
According to Tantric Buddhist teachings, in the case of human beings, the dying process begins with the deterioration and loss of sensations obtained through the five senses of seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting and feeling, and these are considered as experiences at a coarser level of consciousness, and afterwards at the finer level of consciousness one also experiences a gradual cessation. In terms of one's inner visions the whole transition may be described as consisting of the following eight stages:
1. Mirage 2. Smoke 3. Fireflies 4. Flame of a candle?
5. Radiant white appearance?6. Radiant red increase
7. Radiant black near-attainment?8. Clear light
Divine spark ( spirit to earth )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioluminescence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemiluminescence
However the shamir is
according to Strongs
8068 shamiyr shaw-meer' from 8104 in the original sense of pricking; a thorn; also (from its keenness for scratching) a gem, probably the diamond:–adamant (stone), brier, diamond.
And Christ wore a crown ( Keter – ZR ) of diamond mind ?
as a thorn :
Rose, Sharon VRD crocus meadow rose saffron rose of heaven ( VRD MOLH )
http://www.bible-history.com/faussets/T/Thorn/
EDIT
a more detailed account of the shamir is found here
http://www.askmoses.com/en/article/242,2152839/Pe…
NOTE the reference to the tuft or wool or the barleycorn..
see picture of barleycorn here
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic-art/463…
now see tuft of hair.. and http://www.universetoday.com/guide-to-space/const…
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/swift/bursts/mo…
Granpa Ed and Mr. Kay? in sync!
lol, Diab Mrs Kay is a penguin, a bery clever penguin, who is teaching Grandpa ed how to survive sitting on ice for hours on end and snorkelling in Antarctic seas!
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